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		<title>Comment on Good Shepherd, Bad Shepherd* by Paul Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 05:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sabio,&lt;/b&gt; No easy answers. Yet it seems imperative to find (no, not necessarily find, but search for) the truth. Whatever that is. But whatever it is, seeking it out seems a noble occupation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sabio,</b> No easy answers. Yet it seems imperative to find (no, not necessarily find, but search for) the truth. Whatever that is. But whatever it is, seeking it out seems a noble occupation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Small Case of Ignorance by Paul Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 05:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sabio,&lt;/b&gt; when I was in my 20s or thereabouts, I got this idea I called cosmic truth. Although I was a practicing Catholic at the time (outwardly, anyway) cosmic truth was not &lt;i&gt;of&lt;/i&gt; God, but beyond (0r even without) God. Later came the Hubble telescope, which gave me a workable metaphor. Hubble is this gigantic eye trained on the universe. It sees what&#039;s happening. And there are trillions upon trillions of things happening at once. There is no interpretation of what&#039;s happening, nor any judgment. But there is just this constant stream of things happening, with one event leading to the next. The stream is as wide as the universe and runs in all directions. To me, that&#039;s the way things really are—on the cosmic level and on the microcosmic level.

Mixed into to the stream are human beings who are capable of interpreting events and making judgements about them. I&#039;m told that in quantum theory, just observing a particle&#039;s behavior changes its behavior. The same seems true for people. Watch what they do and they change what they do (so long as they know they are being observed). That, too, is the way things are. 

And that&#039;s what I think! ;)

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sabio,</b> when I was in my 20s or thereabouts, I got this idea I called cosmic truth. Although I was a practicing Catholic at the time (outwardly, anyway) cosmic truth was not <i>of</i> God, but beyond (0r even without) God. Later came the Hubble telescope, which gave me a workable metaphor. Hubble is this gigantic eye trained on the universe. It sees what&#8217;s happening. And there are trillions upon trillions of things happening at once. There is no interpretation of what&#8217;s happening, nor any judgment. But there is just this constant stream of things happening, with one event leading to the next. The stream is as wide as the universe and runs in all directions. To me, that&#8217;s the way things really are—on the cosmic level and on the microcosmic level.</p>
<p>Mixed into to the stream are human beings who are capable of interpreting events and making judgements about them. I&#8217;m told that in quantum theory, just observing a particle&#8217;s behavior changes its behavior. The same seems true for people. Watch what they do and they change what they do (so long as they know they are being observed). That, too, is the way things are. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what I think! <img src='http://paulgerhards.com/paulg_wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Small Case of Ignorance by Sabio Lantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Yes, a buddy just died because he did not wear a helmet on his motorcycle ride.
(2) I do stupid things all the time too
(3) I don&#039;t think there is a state of &quot;the way things really are&quot; --- it is a silly abused Buddhist myth in my humble opinion.
(4) So you can&#039;t get there
(5) THAT is what I think  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Yes, a buddy just died because he did not wear a helmet on his motorcycle ride.<br />
(2) I do stupid things all the time too<br />
(3) I don&#8217;t think there is a state of &#8220;the way things really are&#8221; &#8212; it is a silly abused Buddhist myth in my humble opinion.<br />
(4) So you can&#8217;t get there<br />
(5) THAT is what I think  <img src='http://paulgerhards.com/paulg_wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Shepherd, Bad Shepherd* by Sabio Lantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 23:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we have many stories of wolves in sheep clothing.  We have sexually abusive Catholic Priest and Buddhist Lama preaching &quot;compassion, hope, love, tolerance, and concern for the welfare of everyone in the flock.&quot;  Sweet word, idealistic policies are sometimes the most deceptive.  No easy answers, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we have many stories of wolves in sheep clothing.  We have sexually abusive Catholic Priest and Buddhist Lama preaching &#8220;compassion, hope, love, tolerance, and concern for the welfare of everyone in the flock.&#8221;  Sweet word, idealistic policies are sometimes the most deceptive.  No easy answers, I guess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Day in the Life of a Robin by Paul Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@TWF:&lt;/b&gt; It is pretty arbitrary how we assign value to things—even people. The more I dig into such things, the more I see just how this is so. Sometimes I feel a touch of sadness around it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@TWF:</b> It is pretty arbitrary how we assign value to things—even people. The more I dig into such things, the more I see just how this is so. Sometimes I feel a touch of sadness around it all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Day in the Life of a Robin by TWF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh.  Missed it again, but this time I have an excuse.  I kind of view the pro-life stance the same way.  OK, it&#039;s not a great excuse for missing the goal of your theme here, but it&#039;s something.  ;-)

Personally, I actually side more with &lt;b&gt;Sabio&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s take on the realization that it&#039;s all a little arbitrary makes me love less, or rather that I don&#039;t concentrate much on making new friends but instead cling tight to the very few I have.  I&#039;d rather be true to a few than a little something to many, and I consider myself fairly rich in life that way.  The notion of hope I have is that it this would suggest helping someone out of a depression, or helping someone live a meaningful life, may be as simple as just being a good friend. 

But back to your theme here, I think you&#039;ve worded your post very well to get people thinking in terms of these arbitrary assignments of worth and meaning of a life worth preserving if they hadn&#039;t thought of it before in that light.  Such a subtle approach is probably ideal for your purpose; encouraging diverse thought in a way which would not automatically spin up the defense mechanisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh.  Missed it again, but this time I have an excuse.  I kind of view the pro-life stance the same way.  OK, it&#8217;s not a great excuse for missing the goal of your theme here, but it&#8217;s something.  <img src='http://paulgerhards.com/paulg_wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Personally, I actually side more with <b>Sabio</b>&#8216;s take on the realization that it&#8217;s all a little arbitrary makes me love less, or rather that I don&#8217;t concentrate much on making new friends but instead cling tight to the very few I have.  I&#8217;d rather be true to a few than a little something to many, and I consider myself fairly rich in life that way.  The notion of hope I have is that it this would suggest helping someone out of a depression, or helping someone live a meaningful life, may be as simple as just being a good friend. </p>
<p>But back to your theme here, I think you&#8217;ve worded your post very well to get people thinking in terms of these arbitrary assignments of worth and meaning of a life worth preserving if they hadn&#8217;t thought of it before in that light.  Such a subtle approach is probably ideal for your purpose; encouraging diverse thought in a way which would not automatically spin up the defense mechanisms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Relationship between Discomfort and Fear by Paul Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting story, Daniel. Of course I&#039;ve heard the explanation for the purpose of pain—survival. But I had no idea of congenital analgesia.

I thought Big Fish was a fine movie, one of the few I&#039;ve watched twice. Once with Kathryn, the other time with Robin. Robin thought it was ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting story, Daniel. Of course I&#8217;ve heard the explanation for the purpose of pain—survival. But I had no idea of congenital analgesia.</p>
<p>I thought Big Fish was a fine movie, one of the few I&#8217;ve watched twice. Once with Kathryn, the other time with Robin. Robin thought it was ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Day in the Life of a Robin by Paul Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@TWF:&lt;/b&gt; Arbitrary, yes. And I agree, our lives are as rich or as lean as we are able to define them.

&lt;b&gt;@Sabio:&lt;/b&gt; I hadn&#039;t thought about the tribalism aspect, but I do see this little bird as mine—not mine, exactly, but something I&#039;m involved with. I see what you mean by relaxed sympathy. It&#039;s hard to care about everything. But... I did have a specific theme in mind, which I only alluded to in the paragraph about my cracking of the eggs (I cut out the more overt references before publishing): Whereas the pro-lifers feel driven to protect the unborn, they don&#039;t seem to concern themselves with the human toll of war, the death penalty, and myriad other instances of &quot;man&#039;s inhumanity to man.&quot;

It was just a subtle, well-disguised socio-political statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@TWF:</b> Arbitrary, yes. And I agree, our lives are as rich or as lean as we are able to define them.</p>
<p><b>@Sabio:</b> I hadn&#8217;t thought about the tribalism aspect, but I do see this little bird as mine—not mine, exactly, but something I&#8217;m involved with. I see what you mean by relaxed sympathy. It&#8217;s hard to care about everything. But&#8230; I did have a specific theme in mind, which I only alluded to in the paragraph about my cracking of the eggs (I cut out the more overt references before publishing): Whereas the pro-lifers feel driven to protect the unborn, they don&#8217;t seem to concern themselves with the human toll of war, the death penalty, and myriad other instances of &#8220;man&#8217;s inhumanity to man.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was just a subtle, well-disguised socio-political statement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Relationship between Discomfort and Fear by Dan Gerhards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen Big Fish. That was a fun way of looking at the situation.

I recently found out that there are people who &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; no physiological response to pain. In extreme cases, they cannot feel it at all. Their experiences make it obvious that fear is the whole purpose of pain. This is a quote from an article about some children: &quot;One day they climbed on a ledge, put their arms around each other and dived head first on the floor. They couldn&#039;t stop laughing. Another time, Paul held Vicky&#039;s head and rammed it straight through a six-foot sheet of glass....That&#039;s how they play.&quot;
http://www.thefactsofpainlesspeople.com/The_children_who_feel_no_pain.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen Big Fish. That was a fun way of looking at the situation.</p>
<p>I recently found out that there are people who <i>have</i> no physiological response to pain. In extreme cases, they cannot feel it at all. Their experiences make it obvious that fear is the whole purpose of pain. This is a quote from an article about some children: &#8220;One day they climbed on a ledge, put their arms around each other and dived head first on the floor. They couldn&#8217;t stop laughing. Another time, Paul held Vicky&#8217;s head and rammed it straight through a six-foot sheet of glass&#8230;.That&#8217;s how they play.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>Comment on A Day in the Life of a Robin by Sabio Lantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, the inspiration does not leave me wanting to love more, but to love less.  I realize how tied up my notion of care is with a tribal idea of &quot;belonging to me&quot;.  If this relaxes, I care less, but I care more sincerely.  It is not cynicism, it is relaxed sympathy, pragmatic compassion.

Then my son scrapes his knee and all that philosophy goes out the window.
Like cracking an egg for breakfast.

Fun story, thanx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the inspiration does not leave me wanting to love more, but to love less.  I realize how tied up my notion of care is with a tribal idea of &#8220;belonging to me&#8221;.  If this relaxes, I care less, but I care more sincerely.  It is not cynicism, it is relaxed sympathy, pragmatic compassion.</p>
<p>Then my son scrapes his knee and all that philosophy goes out the window.<br />
Like cracking an egg for breakfast.</p>
<p>Fun story, thanx.</p>
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